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# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:05 AM

I agree with your post.  It's just plain bad manners to try and control others!

However, it's alright to perform a love spell to open yourself to acquiring love (or money, etc.)

God bless you.
-Wysteria Blossom

Wysteria Blossom

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:50 AM

Dear Joan:

This is another really good blog that reflects how most of us feel I would wager.  I thank you for sharing your views with us so perfectly once again.  Blessings to you this day

Rosie

Rosalea

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:31 AM

I was moved to write this because when I went to do readings in a local store I was forced to get a liscense to do so and the reason given for having to purchase the $100 per year permit was the spell casting, promise making readers who had scammed people before. I cannot control what others think of me and what I do but there is a stigma attached to readers because of this kind of behavior of SOME readers, what we can do on a daily basis is behave and read for others in an ethical manner and so do away with the idea that ALL readers are only out to take advantage of people at their weakest when they come to us.
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:21 AM

Joan
I spoke to CS this morning about the spell issue, and it is considered no-go for Keen. CS encouraged anybody who has an issue with spell casting/promises to write Playfair.
At this point, it's up to us to let them know, what we consider as unfair to our clients.
Thanks for being such a good voice for us.
Carmen

Carmen miro

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:27 AM

I want to add, that if anyone feels spell casting is good for them and their clients, I would say the most ethical way to present this type of help would be to not charge for it, or to give the advice on a paid call, but to certainly not give any assurances that the spells will work, and to remind the client that this may not be *the* solution for their problems. If a reader believes in spell work, they should be allowed their beliefs, but to sell it as a main marketing aim to solve peoples problems and to guarantee success is unethical, at best.
sincerely
Carmen

Carmen miro

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:20 AM

Couldn't agree more!!!

:))
Witchy

Margaret4560

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:24 PM

I am not a fan of DRAMA, never have been in in fact I find it DRAINS me so I choose not to take part. If ANYONE has found my blogs regarding the damamge that spells can do offensive, that is their opinion, and I have years of experience undoing the damage that spells that cost a lot and did NOT deliever under my belt and that is what I choose to judge spells upon. This is no Salem, this is one person stating their opinion, where others can comment, are others free to say the same?
I think not!!
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:53 PM

Joan, I think it's confusing to some of us as to why Keen doesn't follow it's own policy.

If indeed this person is ethically doing spell work ( and none of us can really judge, as we have not called her ) maybe it would be good to hear from her what she does - her beliefs behind the issue - not from a defensive point of view, but from a realistic and honest point of view.

Joan, I too have spoken to clients who have had thousands of dollars taken away from them, by spell casters, off the keen platform, and then they are too embarrassed to go to Keen to complain.

Maybe this reader has her own ethics we have not been able to see into. The thing that irks me, is that it's in Keen's policy not to sell or advertise spells, and that people still do.

This is applicable not just to her, but many other people who do the same. She may be a great reader and such, but at this stage, this is not a Salem witch hunt, it's just a query as to why the same rules don't apply to certain people.

Basically and bottom line - a reader friend of mine told me about a client who killed herself ON THE PHONE - she was so depressed. With each and every person we talk to, we must bear in mind the consequence of each word we utter, each hope we offer and remember there are lives on the line here.

Offering hope to people without clarity can cause severe damage, and I would like for readers to please explain how they can perform work and live well knowing not what they have done to people's lives, because they have not looked deeply enough into their clients problems. If indeed this reader is also reading into their problems, and helping them, that is great.

But as you said, we cannot dialogue directly with her, so it doesn't give us any elucidation on the matter. And many of us pride ourselves in trying to give the truth, and accepting when we can be wrong - so it can seem irresponsible and callous to us promise anyone ANYTHING.

So no, this is not drama, but a fair question to the Keen team - why is spell work OK when it's clearly stated in their policy that it is not. I have not contacted Playfair yet in the hopes of a satisfactory response from the reader in question. Keen's reputation is my reputation, and I am feeling so down about the blogs right now, I don't even feel like blogging anymore, because I feel that I may possibly do better trying to mislead people, than blog about my beliefs and try and help people. Which means, that goes against my grain.

Basically, this whole thing is really demotivating me, and I may take my blogging elsewhere, if our concerns are not taken seriously.

Carmen

Carmen miro

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:33 AM

Blogs are for sharing our opinions and everyone has them, they might not be shared by all but we all have a right to them. Our opinions are based upon our personal experience and others who may not have the same experiences may not share your opinion about any issue. That does not make either right or wrong, however I do not share the belief that spells are capable of producing what they promise and by the time someone comes to the point of thinking about choosing a spell, they are in desperation, thereby if the spell does not work, it can have an even damaging effect on the person in question. If anyone else has a different experience with spells then that is their experience, it is not mine. I get to take out the mop and clean up after the emotionally damaging experience which breaks my heart...... that is what I have seen and experienced, no critisism, no labeling, no blaming, just my opinion, no salem burning at the stake....
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:37 PM

Your opinion is also very well worth the read.  It is heart wrenching to clean up messes caused by the unscrupulous.

I too am puzzled by the simple fact that CS/playfair has done nothing to alleviate this type of practice.

I have heard it said more than once by several advisors that it is a strict no no.

I did have one very fine advisor comment that he did read the agreement and and all it said was that we are not to use a third party i.e. Western Union and such.  I have no cause to doubt him, however, I was told back in 2000 it was in violation by CS of the rules.  Every psychic line/site I have ever worked for frowns upon this practice.  I have not read the agreement in several years and it has changed many times over.

People do get embarrassed when they have been fleeced and who can blame them and frankly, that is the main problem.  People are too embarrassed to come forward for fear of looking very foolish.

There will most likely come a day however, that our litigeous society will catch up to the unscrupulous.  And most likely you will see these readers involved in class action suits and it will not be in their favor either.  Although they fly under the big company banner, the companies will surely call them to task. That is why they make it a policy to NOT sell spells.

Not one time have I seen the readers who offer to sell spells, offer a full 100% money back guarantee, if their said spell casting was not to the clients satisfaction.  Why???  The have to know that their is NO guarantee the spell will be effective.  I doubt anybody would purchase a spell with the "for entertainment purposes only" clause either.  If I saw that one myself, I would never put down a hard earned $300 to "bring my lover back in 24 hours"

I am sick of the super market tabloid advertising of the same spells by the same person not once, twice but for the most part three or more times a day, it's cheap and it's sleazy and it gives the Keen community as a whole are really bad reputation.  Not to mention that some really great material posted by some very talented people gets pushed back to un-noticable pages.

Thank you again for your blog.
:))
Margaret

Margaret4560

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Monday, March 03, 2008 8:47 AM

Again I must agree with the author of this blog.

The very first time I ever called Keen for advice the person I spoke to told me there was a curse on me, but if I would send her $500 via Western Union she would lift the curse from me.

To say this was very upsetting would be an understatement, so I quickly ended the call. I called another adviser, who was a very professional, but had I not done so I would have walked away from Keen thinking it was nothing more than a rip-off site.

Keen, like other on-line venue, will have both good and bad people.  I think 'buyer beware' applies here, as has been discussed in other blogs.  Unfortunately, it's all too easy for a less than ethical individual to take advantage  of someone going through a difficult time. The person who would normally scoff at the idea of spells might be easily convinced to shell out hundreds, or even thousands of dollars, if they've just been dumped by the love of their life. At that moment they probably don't have the wherewithal to realize that manipulating another's free will,(i.e. casting a spell to bring their lover back), would never work.  

I happen to think that the vast majority of people on Keen are good, honest people who sincerely want to use their gifts to help others.  That, for the most part, has been my experience here. Many of you are posting very good information in your blogs about how to spot a 'phony,' which is very helpful. I think the best thing you can do, for yourselves and the other honest advisers, is to keep educating your clients.

'Marina'



'Marina'

marinachristie

# re: Bad Reputations..... @ Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:11 AM

Marina, I could not agree more, when people are vulnerable they are likely to do and fall for things that they might normally not fall for. It is a sad state of affairs when predators use the weakness of another to gain from them selling false promises..
Joan

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